Who is ALLAH? The Sovereign of the Unseen and the Manifest

[Angelkesfarl]

Who is ALLAH? The Sovereign of the Unseen and the Manifest​

By Angelkesfarl​

Today, we speak of the Divine. Allah—the Name that gathers all Divine Attributes into one singular Essence. Let me introduce you to Him: He is the Ever-Living, the All-Knowing, the Omnipotent. He has no peer, no likeness, and no predecessor. He was not born of a father or a mother; no god existed before Him, and no deities share His throne.

Allah has no physical manifestation. None among us has seen Him to speak of His form. Even the Prophet Muhammad, during his celestial ascension (Miraj), described the experience as an "encompassing Light" beyond distinction. He is the First without a beginning, for He is the Creator of Time itself. Time is merely a measure of motion relative to a physical body—the time of an atom differs from the time of a sun, a galaxy, or the cosmos as a whole. But the Deity is transcendent, above all such measures; He is without beginning and without end. You may contemplate Him, but to comprehend Him is beyond the reach of the finite mind.

When the Creator describes Himself, He does not use the term "sitting" as some traditions suggest. He uses the word Istiwa (Establishment/Sovereignty) over the Throne (Al-Arsh). This "Throne" is a linguistic metaphor for His absolute dominion. Istiwa signifies supreme governance—He is the sole Owner of the manifest Kingdom (Al-Mulk) and the hidden Realms (Al-Malakut).

Any attempt to separate Allah from the realm of the "Occult" or the modern world is like a blind man denying the existence of the moon. He lacks the eyes to see it, and thus remains trapped in his shallow intellectual shell, oblivious to the celestial influence felt by all others.

The History of the Name: The name "Allah" was used by the Monotheists, Christians, and Jews of the Arabian Peninsula long before the advent of Islam. It is the Arabic linguistic pinnacle—the word Ilah (Deity) combined with the definite article Al (The), specifically designating the Divine Essence. In the Torah, it is found in the essence of "I am YHWH, your Elohim." Christians address Him as the Father. Allah, therefore, is the Only True God.

A Question to the Seekers: The True God told Moses, "You shall not see Me, but look at the mountain." If Allah is the Transcendent One who remains unseen in this earthly realm, where are the "demigods" and the "sons of Zeus, Kali, or Vishnu"? Why has none of them dared to manifest their alleged supernatural powers in our present day? Their appearances are always relegated to the distant past.

The One God says: "You shall not see Me, but you shall see My Power manifesting as the Creator of all things." This is a philosophical invitation to seek His traces. He is Al-Hayy al-Qayyum—the Ever-Living, the Sustainer. He never sleeps, never forgets. Every atom and every galaxy is under His Holy Gaze; the hidden and the manifest, the past and the future, are all an "Eternal Present" before Him.

The Mercy and the Justice: He is Al-Rahman (The Compassionate) and Al-Rahim (The Merciful). His Compassion is rooted in Justice: the one who works hard is rewarded; the one who idles goes hungry. Is it not justice that effort yields fruit? His Mercy is specific—He hears every prayer and grants victory to the oppressed, even if you do not witness the moment of triumph.

The Mystery of Elohim: Some failed interpretations suggest that "Elohim" implies a plurality of gods. This is a profound misunderstanding. In the esoteric sense, it aligns with "Allah-umma"—the "M" (Mem) is not a plurality of persons, but a plurality of Attributes. You call upon Him through the totality of His names to be with you in your time of fear.

Can the Divine be forced to do anything? Impossible.​

I am not here to defend a specific religion; I am here to speak the Truth I have come to believe. Which is superior: a pantheon of squabbling, warring gods who kill and negate one another, or a Single Deity whom no force can rival? All powers—no matter how "supernatural" they seem to you—are merely limited gifts He bestowed upon His creation.

The Power of the Name: To hate the Divine because He governs and possesses "Fire" to punish the transgressor is futile. Even a mortal dictator can block your access to a website or punish you for theft—will your hatred nullify the law?

When I speak of Allah, I speak of the Name at which the mightiest demons tremble. If you say, "I seek refuge in Allah from the Accursed Devil," the most formidable dark forces shatter and flee. This is not a modern invention; "Deity" (Ilah) is the oldest word in human history. Before the first Arabic word was ever uttered, He Was.

I know many here hold different faiths or none at all. I harbor no enmity toward anyone based on their creed or origin. But just as you possess the freedom to express your views on the Divine, I—Angelkesfarl—exercise my freedom to define the "Allah" I know.

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

As someone who lives in Australia, it is strange to see how the identity of this being can cause so much pain and suffering.

Whether or not our descendants should ever find favor with this God, the riches and blessings of our children in this lifetime, and the resulting wanton destruction that comes from BELIEF in a God is not considered important to anyone but the people from this region. The notion of favoring a single bloodline through time, and the resentment this provokes among neighboring peoples.... God must have never thought of this. Why Africans, and Asian peoples and Americans and Europeans and Australians should be disregarded while a single group of people in the Middle East shall be given wealth and influence to control the entire world! Where is the justification for this when looking at the PAIN AND SUFFERING it has caused.

The Muslims are descended from Ishamel , who was blessed by God even if he was the bastard son of Abraham. The Jews are blessed by God; they have a covenant whereby God has promised them greatness. As a member of the REST OF THE WORLD, Why should this dispute encroach upon our politics?

Australia now after this Bondi attack has been dragged into the war against israel or Muslim with false flags everywhere and Satans and Gods chagning places every turn? I ask you now.

Is Allah the same as the God of the Book?
Does he will us into war?
Does he favour the Jewish people?
Do you think it fair to bless the Jews and Muslims and not other peoples?

What does one who lives in Submission to him, supposed to do to Israeli peoples?

 

[Angelkesfarl]

As someone who lives in Australia, it is strange to see how the identity of this being can cause so much pain and suffering.

Whether or not our descendants should ever find favor with this God,

Australia now after this Bondi attack has been dragged into the war against israel or Muslim with false flags everywhere and Satans and Gods chagning places every turn? I ask you now.

Is Allah the same as the God of the Book?
Does he will us into war?
Does he favour the Jewish people?
Do you think it fair to bless the Jews and Muslims and not other peoples?

What does one who lives in Submission to him, supposed to do to Israeli peoples?

"Greetings to you. I can sense the profound distress and disillusionment in your words, especially as you witness the world being dragged into conflicts that seem both alien and inevitable. However, allow me to clarify these matters from the perspective of the School of Truth—far removed from the mire of politics and bloodlines.

1. Is Allah the God of a Single Lineage? Absolutely not. To confine the Infinite Creator to a specific race or ethnicity is a theological insult. The Allah I have introduced to you is Rabb al-Alamin—the Lord of all Worlds and all Peoples—not the 'Deity of the Middle East.' The notions of 'Chosen People' or 'Favored Bloodlines' are human political constructs, dressed in religious garb to justify earthly dominance. The Divine does not look at DNA; He looks at the Spiritual Light and the integrity of action. The African, the Asian, the European, and the Australian are all equally His creation. Anyone claiming otherwise is merely trying to imprison the Infinite within the vessel of their own greed.

2. Does He Will Us into War? God does not seek the destruction of His creation. Wars are the byproduct of the human Ego and unbridled avarice. What you witness as 'holy war' is, in reality, a struggle for power and land, where the Name of God is weaponized as a shroud. Satan and God do not 'switch places'; rather, men wear masks of holiness to commit diabolical acts.

3. Regarding Submission and Justice: True 'Submission' (Islam) to the Truth means submitting to Justice. One who truly submits does not harbor hatred based on blood. Regarding other peoples—including Israelis—the mandate is Justice. Oppression is rejected regardless of who commits it, and fairness is a duty toward all. The current conflict is a matter of earthly rights and politics, not a divine decree to favor one group over another.

My friend, do not let the catastrophic failures of men blind you to the Light of the Creator. God is not a 'party' to a political war; He is the Refuge from the absurdity of these wars. He does not disregard you in Australia any more than He favors someone based solely on where they were born."

 

[Ananda]

Why would anyone thank and worship an entity which claims to have created this miserable world? This makes no sense to me.

More than a billion people will mindlessly repeat this without questioning its logic.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

Why would anyone thank and worship an entity which claims to have created this miserable world? This makes no sense to me.

More than a billion people will mindlessly repeat this without questioning its logic.

"My friend, you speak of 'logic,' yet you are viewing the entire cosmos through the narrow 'lens of suffering.' Let me offer you a different logic from our school:

You perceive this world as 'miserable,' while we perceive it as a 'Sacred Crucible for the Soul.' Gold does not emerge pure except by passing through the fire, and the spirit does not realize its perfection except by confronting duality. Do you blame the Sun for burning the skin of one who stands beneath it in ignorance, or do you blame the individual's lack of understanding regarding the laws of heat?

Regarding your question: 'Why thank and worship?'.. We do not thank an entity seeking praise. We express gratitude to the Source that granted us the consciousness to perceive existence itself. Gratitude, in our path, is not 'mindless repetition'; it is a Spiritual Activation that opens the gates of understanding. One who gives thanks in the heart of tribulation is one who possesses the Will (Al-Azimah) to see beyond the veil. Conversely, one who merely complains remains a prisoner in the cell of their own misery.

Indeed, billions may repeat words, but only the few 'connect' to the Truth. The Divine is not in need of your worship; rather, it is you who needs to connect to the Source of Power to transcend the very 'misery' you lament. The world is not miserable—it is your perception that requires 're-calibration.'

The Truth is not always comfortable, but it is always Just

 

[Ananda]

According to the Abrahamic religions, God is said to have created the individual, imperfect and impure as I am.

If indeed the world is ‘crucible for the soul’, the scheme provided by the Vedic religion, where this happens over many many lifetimes of effort makes much more sense. And that this is a process of realization that the individual is the same as God.

As or the world not being a miserable place, here is an idea from Schopenhauer - compare the satisfaction experienced by an animal consuming another with the pain of that being consumed. The two are no way in balance.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

According to the Abrahamic religions, God is said to have created the individual, imperfect and impure as I am.

If indeed the world is ‘crucible for the soul’, the scheme provided by the Vedic religion, where this happens over many many lifetimes of effort makes much more sense. And that this is a process of realization that the individual is the same as God.

As or the world not being a miserable place, here is an idea from Schopenhauer - compare the satisfaction experienced by an animal consuming another with the pain of that being consumed. The two are no way in balance.

"Friend Ananda, your reference to Schopenhauer and Vedic philosophy shows a serious seeker, yet you fall into the trap of 'Material Comparison.'

1. On Predation and Balance: You measure 'pain' as a final material event. In our school, death is not 'non-existence' but a Transition. The balance of the universe is not measured by the momentary satisfaction of the predator versus the agony of the prey, but by the Perpetuity of Life and the preservation of the cosmic cycle. You are looking at the 'Moment' while ignoring the 'Continuity.'

2. On the Vedic Scheme vs. Immediate Realization: The idea of evolving through countless lifetimes is a human attempt to rationalize 'Justice' through a long-term timeline. However, why require thousands of years to realize your connection to the Source when you can achieve it in a Single Moment of Sincerity (Al-Azimah)? Truth does not require time; it requires the Piercing of the Veil. To claim the individual is 'the same as God' is to confuse the 'Manifestation' with the 'Essence.' We are reflections of His Attributes, not the Essence itself.

3. The 'Imperfect' Creation: You say you were created 'imperfect.' In truth, you were created 'Capable of Perfection.' Imperfection is the 'Space' in which your Free Will operates to prove your worthiness of Proximity. Had you been created perfect, you would be a mere 'Machine' with no merit in your actions.

The world is not miserable because pain exists; it is Perfect because it provides the Potential for Ascension through that pain. Schopenhauer saw the Shadow and mistook it for Reality; I invite you to look at the Sun that cast that shadow."

 

[BBBB]

So, if Allah is not a "Deity of the Middle East", then it should be possible to drop all the Arabian Nights embelishments completely as well as all references to Quran, and present it's case clearly. Can you do that, Angelkesfarl? Or is it indeed necessary to learn Arabic and expose yourself to readings of Quran as well as all the patterns of thinking and behavior associated with religious practice of historical Islam, including praying in a specific way at a specific time? Also I don't recal the Prophet teaching to escape from social and political struggle or to make the teachings esoteric. Are you actually one of the faithful, or a servant of Iblis seeking to corrupt the Truth?

 

[Angelkesfarl]

So, if Allah is not a "Deity of the Middle East", then it should be possible to drop all the Arabian Nights embelishments completely as well as all references to Quran, and present it's case clearly. Can you do that, Angelkesfarl? Or is it indeed necessary to learn Arabic and expose yourself to readings of Quran as well as all the patterns of thinking and behavior associated with religious practice of historical Islam, including praying in a specific way at a specific time? Also I don't recal the Prophet teaching to escape from social and political struggle or to make the teachings esoteric. Are you actually one of the faithful, or a servant of Iblis seeking to corrupt the Truth?

"My friend BBBB, your questions reflect the confusion of someone who looks at the ‘vessel’ while remaining entirely ignorant of the ‘wine.’ Let me answer you with the unapologetic clarity of the Old School:

Allah is the One God, the Creator of this entire universe, including you. Out of His ultimate Mercy, He granted every creature the right to choose. But remember: every individual will bear the consequences of their free choices, whether they accept it or not. The matter is that simple.

As for your claim that He is a 'Deity of the Middle East'—Allah is the Lord of all Worlds (Rabb al-Alamin). I ask you: Have the Jews abandoned their temples and prayers? Have Christians of all denominations left their worship and festivals? Do you do such a thing? And who are you to sit in judgment over the Divine and dictate how He should be worshipped? Prayers must be performed as the Creator requested, in the manner He desires, not according to your whims; for they are the medium He ordained for your connection to Him. If you look at them with a neutral eye, you will see they are pure sanctity: Ablution (Wudu) is a ritual washing of sins before 'The Holy' (Al-Quddus)—who, notice, gives you another chance every single time. As for the movements of prayer, they are the very movements of the Angels who stand in ranks, bow, or prostrate in awe of His Majesty alone.

Regarding the Arabic language: we recite the Quran in Arabic to preserve the sanctity of the revelation, but God hears your supplications in every language on Earth. Is Islam only for the Middle East? I have explained this repeatedly: it is for everyone, and you are free to accept or refuse. What is truly strange is your unjustified attack and personalization of the matter. You have abandoned the scientific discourse to appoint yourself a judge over me; you are deluded if you think you possess such authority.

What would you have me believe in? The 'Tao,' for instance? I cannot, for it is the product of relatively modern human thought. Its founder did not claim divinity but called himself a philosopher—and the words of humans are subject to both acceptance and criticism. As for the 'Transmigration of Souls' (Reincarnation), it offers nothing but loss. What is the benefit of turning into an ant or a cockroach enjoying itself in a filthy sewer, without any consciousness of guilt or evolution? I refuse to have my humanity insulted by believing I will be born as a louse or an animal because I erred, only to return as a human and repeat the same crimes because I forgot everything!

Most peculiar is that you are practicing exactly what you claim to reject: you demand that I cast away my religion and its 'embellishments' simply because you reject them, yet you offer no alternative that respects my intellect or preserves my dignity as a human being. How can you practice such blatant exclusion against others simply because of their faith?

Finally, am I a servant of Iblis? Those who serve and worship demons know themselves well. The One God commanded us to respect the beliefs of others and not to insult any idol or faith in front of its followers. Shall we look at the Truth, or return to attempts at judgment and labeling?

The purpose of the Divine is not merely 'cosmic harmony'; His true purpose is for you to love Him and manifest your sincerity to the One who gave you your soul, provided this planet, and crowned you as a 'Successor' (Khalifa) to act upon this earth, subordinating everything within it for you. This is the Truth... do you wish to see it, or will you remain a prisoner of childish accusations?

 

[Ananda]

"Friend Ananda, your reference to Schopenhauer and Vedic philosophy shows a serious seeker, yet you fall into the trap of 'Material Comparison.'

1. On Predation and Balance: You measure 'pain' as a final material event. In our school, death is not 'non-existence' but a Transition. The balance of the universe is not measured by the momentary satisfaction of the predator versus the agony of the prey, but by the Perpetuity of Life and the preservation of the cosmic cycle. You are looking at the 'Moment' while ignoring the 'Continuity.

The world is not miserable because pain exists; it is Perfect because it provides the Potential for Ascension through that pain. Schopenhauer saw the Shadow and mistook it for Reality; I invite you to look at the Sun that cast that shadow."

The possibility of ascension stops with one lifetime in the scheme of the Abrahamic religions. One is ‘manifested’ for some inexplicable reason, one has to ‘pierce the veil’ within one lifetime, followed by an eternity in heaven or hell.

And where do animals and their suffering fit in this scheme? The whole mess makes little sense to me.

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** As for the 'Transmigration of Souls' (Reincarnation), it offers nothing but loss. What is the benefit of turning into an ant or a cockroach enjoying itself in a filthy sewer, without any consciousness of guilt or evolution? I refuse to have my humanity insulted by believing I will be born as a louse or an animal because I erred, only to return as a human and repeat the same crimes because I forgot everything****

Makes perfect sense to me. Time continues indefinitely. Worlds are created and destroyed and heedless beings without reflecting on consequences, go on transmigrating, suffering from one body to another.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

"Friend Ananda, you seem to be clinging to the 'Wheel of Reincarnation' as an escape from the 'Majesty of Immediate Confrontation.' Let me dismantle this confusion for you:

1. On the 'Single Lifetime' and Eternity: You believe one lifetime is insufficient for ascension and view it as unjust. Do you not realize that Time is a creature, not the Creator? For a soul that 'connects' to the Source, a single moment equals a thousand years. Reincarnation is a 'consolation' for those who lack the Will (Al-Azimah) to pierce the veil now, postponing their liberation to a phantom 'future life.' In our school, merit is not measured by Quantity (how long you lived) but by Quality (how deeply you realized).

2. On Animals and Suffering: You are confusing 'Ranks' of existence. An animal exists within the rank of Instinct; it is part of the biological equilibrium of the planet, not tasked with Vicegerency (Khilafa) or Divine Consciousness. Its suffering is physical and ends with its death. To measure the Justice of the Creator by the fate of a gazelle in a forest is an 'Emotional Fallacy' that devalues your own humanity by equating it with a lower rank. Do you judge an architect’s genius by the fact that some nails were bent during construction?

3. Meaning vs. Futility: You claim our scheme makes little sense. In truth, it is Transmigration that is void of meaning. What is the purpose of recycling 'Ignorance' through different bodies? If you were born human and failed, how will you succeed as an ant or a dog? This 'Perpetual Wandering' is the true Hell.

We believe in a God who created you Once to grant you the Honor of a Single Attempt, because you are 'Great' enough to perceive Him in a heartbeat if you are sincere. Those who see themselves as 'heedless beings' wandering through animal bodies choose Subservience over Sovereignty.

Choose your station: Are you a Successor (Khalifa) facing his Lord now, or a 'headless being' waiting for another cycle of misery?

 

[BBBB]

"My friend BBBB, your questions reflect the confusion of someone who looks at the ‘vessel’ while remaining entirely ignorant of the ‘wine.’ Let me answer you with the unapologetic clarity of the Old School:

Allah is the One God, the Creator of this entire universe, including you. Out of His ultimate Mercy, He granted every creature the right to choose. But remember: every individual will bear the consequences of their free choices, whether they accept it or not. The matter is that simple.

As for your claim that He is a 'Deity of the Middle East'—Allah is the Lord of all Worlds (Rabb al-Alamin). I ask you: Have the Jews abandoned their temples and prayers? Have Christians of all denominations left their worship and festivals? Do you do such a thing? And who are you to sit in judgment over the Divine and dictate how He should be worshipped? Prayers must be performed as the Creator requested, in the manner He desires, not according to your whims; for they are the medium He ordained for your connection to Him. If you look at them with a neutral eye, you will see they are pure sanctity: Ablution (Wudu) is a ritual washing of sins before 'The Holy' (Al-Quddus)—who, notice, gives you another chance every single time. As for the movements of prayer, they are the very movements of the Angels who stand in ranks, bow, or prostrate in awe of His Majesty alone.

Regarding the Arabic language: we recite the Quran in Arabic to preserve the sanctity of the revelation, but God hears your supplications in every language on Earth. Is Islam only for the Middle East? I have explained this repeatedly: it is for everyone, and you are free to accept or refuse. What is truly strange is your unjustified attack and personalization of the matter. You have abandoned the scientific discourse to appoint yourself a judge over me; you are deluded if you think you possess such authority.

What would you have me believe in? The 'Tao,' for instance? I cannot, for it is the product of relatively modern human thought. Its founder did not claim divinity but called himself a philosopher—and the words of humans are subject to both acceptance and criticism. As for the 'Transmigration of Souls' (Reincarnation), it offers nothing but loss. What is the benefit of turning into an ant or a cockroach enjoying itself in a filthy sewer, without any consciousness of guilt or evolution? I refuse to have my humanity insulted by believing I will be born as a louse or an animal because I erred, only to return as a human and repeat the same crimes because I forgot everything!

Most peculiar is that you are practicing exactly what you claim to reject: you demand that I cast away my religion and its 'embellishments' simply because you reject them, yet you offer no alternative that respects my intellect or preserves my dignity as a human being. How can you practice such blatant exclusion against others simply because of their faith?

Finally, am I a servant of Iblis? Those who serve and worship demons know themselves well. The One God commanded us to respect the beliefs of others and not to insult any idol or faith in front of its followers. Shall we look at the Truth, or return to attempts at judgment and labeling?

The purpose of the Divine is not merely 'cosmic harmony'; His true purpose is for you to love Him and manifest your sincerity to the One who gave you your soul, provided this planet, and crowned you as a 'Successor' (Khalifa) to act upon this earth, subordinating everything within it for you. This is the Truth... do you wish to see it, or will you remain a prisoner of childish accusations?

Oh, confused, am I? Clearly you are the one having superior training and knowledge (or so you think). But see where you are wrong:
I didn't 'claim' Allah is a deity of Middle East - this was something you set to disprove before. I merely offered you a simple and direct way to prove otherwise, that doesn't require argueing with anyone or impressing them with promises of hell or bliss. It only required a show of your own ability to understand and present understanding univesally. Also to see if you can do this without calling others "my son", "my friend", and other "wise old man" shticks of yours.

What did you do instead? Started to argue with me and resorted to belittling of another. But I was not an opponent or a seeker. I asked "Can you do that?" so you could do or do not.
That shows your lack of discernment and your hubris. Not mentioning your lack of manners.
In my estimate you failed miserably. You practically didn't even show up to this challenge, but resorted to what I noticed you do over and over again. My discernment tells me you are a liar and an impostor, maybe even a bot. So, I am not going to read the rest of your answer. You have discredited yourself.

Some things to ponder: when you try to manipulate another you violate another's Allah-given free will (and consider them inferior to yourself). Are you even a Muslim? True Muslim are supposed to be tolerant even to those who are considered mistaken in their faith, so they may conquer with personal good example first. Because there can be no forcing of Truth, and also because it is the ultimate test of Muslim's own righteousness. But forcing is not limited to conversions at gun point, a variant of forcing is any kind of browbeating, for example, making yourself seem like a father figure and telling someone it's this god who created them. It seems you're way over your head here, "friend".

P.S. You might be suprised, but Allah didn't create me.

 

[Morell]

So, if Allah is not a "Deity of the Middle East", then it should be possible to drop all the Arabian Nights embelishments completely as well as all references to Quran, and present it's case clearly. Can you do that, Angelkesfarl? Or is it indeed necessary to learn Arabic and expose yourself to readings of Quran as well as all the patterns of thinking and behavior associated with religious practice of historical Islam, including praying in a specific way at a specific time? Also I don't recal the Prophet teaching to escape from social and political struggle or to make the teachings esoteric. Are you actually one of the faithful, or a servant of Iblis seeking to corrupt the Truth?

Good point. It starts with linguistic problem of translating from arabic. Golden rule is that only names cannot not be translated, so when people refuse to say god instead of allah, then there is mixing of understanding. if allah means god, then not translating is wrong and misguiding, because when it is untranslated, it is automatically understood as a name. Doesn't matter that there is only one god, or that that is only term that describes exactly what the god is. it only works so in arabic. in other language another term must be used to be understood the best. Muslims intentionally or unintentionally confuse others by refusing to translate what is not a name.

So if it is not a name, it's not allah, it's a god in english.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

Oh, confused, am I? Clearly you are the one having superior training and knowledge (or so you think). But see where you are wrong:
I didn't 'claim' Allah is a deity of Middle East - this was something you set to disprove before. I merely offered you a simple and direct way to prove otherwise, that doesn't require argueing with anyone or impressing them with promises of hell or bliss. It only required a show of your own ability to understand and present understanding univesally. Also to see if you can do this without calling others "my son", "my friend", and other "wise old man" shticks of yours.

What did you do instead? Started to argue with me and resorted to belittling of another. But I was not an opponent or a seeker. I asked "Can you do that?" so you could do or do not.
That shows your lack of discernment and your hubris. Not mentioning your lack of manners.
In my estimate you failed miserably. You practically didn't even show up to this challenge, but resorted to what I noticed you do over and over again. My discernment tells me you are a liar and an impostor, maybe even a bot. So, I am not going to read the rest of your answer. You have discredited yourself.

Some things to ponder: when you try to manipulate another you violate another's Allah-given free will (and consider them inferior to yourself). Are you even a Muslim? True Muslim are supposed to be tolerant even to those who are considered mistaken in their faith, so they may conquer with personal good example first. Because there can be no forcing of Truth, and also because it is the ultimate test of Muslim's own righteousness. But forcing is not limited to conversions at gun point, a variant of forcing is any kind of browbeating, for example, making yourself seem like a father figure and telling someone it's this god who created them. It seems you're way over your head here, "friend".

P.S. You might be suprised, but Allah didn't create me.

"BBBB,

You have confirmed the accuracy of my discernment with your final statement: 'Allah didn't create me.' At this point, the boundaries of reason end, and the delusions of an Ego that believes it is eternal begin. He who denies his own origin cannot be expected to grasp the spiritual and scientific truths I have presented.

Labeling me a 'bot' or an 'impostor' is merely a desperate attempt to flee the mirror of Truth I held before you. I invited you to Sovereignty (as a Khalifa), yet you chose to remain a 'lost soul' who ignores even the One who brought him into existence. Truth does not need to defend itself against one who closes his eyes and declares, 'I am the Sun.'

I offered you Knowledge; you offered me Agitation. Go in peace, for the realm of Spirits has no room for those who worship their own shadows. (End of Discourse)

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Good point. It starts with linguistic problem of translating from arabic. Golden rule is that only names cannot not be translated, so when people refuse to say god instead of allah, then there is mixing of understanding. if allah means god, then not translating is wrong and misguiding, because when it is untranslated, it is automatically understood as a name. Doesn't matter that there is only one god, or that that is only term that describes exactly what the god is. it only works so in arabic. in other language another term must be used to be understood the best. Muslims intentionally or unintentionally confuse others by refusing to translate what is not a name.

So if it is not a name, it's not allah, it's a god in english.

"Greetings, Morell. Your point is linguistically sound, yet it overlooks the 'Esoteric Depth' of the term.

You mentioned a 'Golden Rule' that names are not translated—and that is precisely why we retain the word 'Allah.' In our internal sciences, 'Allah' is not merely a translation for 'God'; it is The Supreme Singular Name (Al-Ism al-Jam'i) that encompasses all Divine Attributes. The English word 'God' allows for plurals (Gods) and gender variants (Goddess). In contrast, the term 'Allah' is linguistically and mathematically unique—it cannot be pluralized or gendered, making it the most precise 'Encoding' for the Absolute Oneness.

When we use 'Allah,' we are not imposing a language; we are utilizing a 'Technical Term' that carries the correct frequency in spiritual science. It is much like using Latin in medicine or English in programming. One does not translate 'Python' to 'Snake' when discussing coding, as the technical significance would be lost.

I am not seeking to confuse, but to maintain 'Terminological Precision.' If I say 'God,' I am discussing a general philosophical concept. If I say 'Allah,' I am referencing the 'Absolute Essence' as defined in the ancient sciences.

I speak of the Essence that transcends language, yet every essence requires a 'Name' to safeguard its reality from being diluted.

 

[Morell]

"Greetings, Morell. Your point is linguistically sound, yet it overlooks the 'Esoteric Depth' of the term.

You mentioned a 'Golden Rule' that names are not translated—and that is precisely why we retain the word 'Allah.' In our internal sciences, 'Allah' is not merely a translation for 'God'; it is The Supreme Singular Name (Al-Ism al-Jam'i) that encompasses all Divine Attributes. The English word 'God' allows for plurals (Gods) and gender variants (Goddess). In contrast, the term 'Allah' is linguistically and mathematically unique—it cannot be pluralized or gendered, making it the most precise 'Encoding' for the Absolute Oneness.

When we use 'Allah,' we are not imposing a language; we are utilizing a 'Technical Term' that carries the correct frequency in spiritual science. It is much like using Latin in medicine or English in programming. One does not translate 'Python' to 'Snake' when discussing coding, as the technical significance would be lost.

I am not seeking to confuse, but to maintain 'Terminological Precision.' If I say 'God,' I am discussing a general philosophical concept. If I say 'Allah,' I am referencing the 'Absolute Essence' as defined in the ancient sciences.

I speak of the Essence that transcends language, yet every essence requires a 'Name' to safeguard its reality from being diluted.

So simply put, it is a name of one specific being.

 

[Yazata]

Allah didn't create me.' At this point, the boundaries of reason end, and the delusions of an Ego that believes it is eternal begin. He who denies his own origin cannot be expected to grasp the spiritual and scientific truths I have presented.

There is no place for preaching here. Whether it be for Yahweh, Odin or allah. That you believe to be created by him does not mean that anyone who thinks differently about their own origin is wrong.

 

[BBBB]

And I only remarked on that because it is clearly a mental warfare technique, just like framing himself as a father figure, or telling you you are friends with him. But it goes further than asserting domination through being older/fatherly. If you were created by his overlord, it makes him your master as well, since he frames himself as teacher about your creator. Probably works on Middle Eastern peasants. But it is an extremely dirty technique, something that no teacher of wisdom would use, but only someone who is in need of slaves.

 

[MorganBlack]

I'm enjoying this rather heated conversation! Thank you all! As a pantheist maximalist - (All is God, no exceptions.) - I hope we can find a language to share ideas without the smell of politics over eveyting, or implying there is only One Way to the divine.

According to the Abrahamic religions, God is said to have created the individual, imperfect and impure as I am

OK, I had to jump in here. Ananada - and please accept my many apologies if this too sounds like preaching, but this is not the Catholic view.

Catholicism says God's original plan, we were all supposed to be immortal. Adam and Eve were in Paradise not as a prison, but were protected there while Creation was being completed. Samael released us before it was time, so God introduced death, because to be immortal in an incomplete universe is a state worse than death. In Catholicism, 'sin' is not a THING; it is not an 'energy' you accumulate., it is not a badge or mark you carry around. It is only that which keeps your consciousness from being one with the Infinite - your little personality and ego. Buddhism says pretty much the same thing, but gets right to the point without the all colorful stories. These mythic stories , while useful for deep meditation and ocntempaltion, trip eveyone up is all religions . The mythic map is not the territory, but can craete a path through the terrain to the divine.

Just to add: Ya'll should know me enough by now to know that I consider these to be myths, but myths that speak to deeper, more profound truths that only deep mystical contemplation can reveal, not 'explaining on the internet using words.

 

[Beyond Everything]

It is only that which keeps your consciousness from being one with the Infinite - your little personality and ego. Buddhism says pretty much the same thing, but gets right to the point without the all colorful stories.

This is anachronistic, and neither Aquinas nor Augustine said anything like that that (who better represents Catholic theology than them?). Augustine said mankind inherits a 'corrupted' nature, and Aquinas said original sin is the inherited propensity to sin- rooted in disobedience to god. This has nothing at all to do with Buddhism.

And Islam was founded by a guy who married a 9 year old. Who wants to be involved with that- whether exoterically or esoterically?

 

[MorganBlack]

who better represents Catholic theology than them

LOL Living Catholics and Catholic bishops today speaking to modern people , and not what was for, or interpreted by, Middle Ages primitives who need be spooned like children by the legalistic school of Catholicism. Also, not for you.