• Hi guest! As you can see, the new Wizard Forums has been revived, and we are glad to have you visiting our site! However, it would be really helpful, both to you and us, if you registered on our website! Registering allows you to see all posts, and make posts yourself, which would be great if you could share your knowledge and opinions with us! You could also make posts to ask questions!

[Opinion] How you think about "god"?

Everyone's got one.

Anasa

Neophyte
Joined
Oct 30, 2025
Messages
21
Reaction score
21
I'd thought 'god' is something who let people believe,pray and give oblation,every thing can be god.

But my dad was dead in 2025,a weird dream told my mom will close eyes in 2,16,2037 by natural end.
maybe this just a dream, a sorrow can't be say is more sorrow.

now i think human have soul and semsena,magic and angel is real.the only god is world's willing.no one leave to death
, complex society create the fate,everything have own "Tao". I think god is that truth we can be escape.

things can't be nice release always。
 

Ohana

Acolyte
Joined
Jan 2, 2026
Messages
321
Reaction score
289
Awards
4
A source from which most of existence or life hails from. There might be multiple of them or a bunch of smaller sources all stemming from a big source. Or multiple big sources.

I think of it like that concept like a cacoon. It's just a source to me. I don't think of a that source having personality nor personal characteristics. It just. And you have to crawl to get somewhere else. Where? What come of it? Who knows.

It's just a starting point for which you must crawl forwards. Crawl and crawl and crawl and maybe one day you reach somewhere you like or become the person you want to be. But its active and it take effort to crawl. Like a sea turtle getting born then making a mad dash to the ocean of existence.

Maybe some will reach the ocean maybe some will not. Thats really it.
 

Robert Ramsay

Apostle
Joined
Oct 1, 2023
Messages
1,430
Reaction score
3,313
Awards
9
I personally believe that god is like money. Money is real, but doesn't actually exist - it only exists because everyone gets together and agrees that it does. As the Thomas Theorem says: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences".

The twist comes because magic allows the world to be malleable through the power of human thought, and thus 'defining a situation as real' can have very real magical consequences.

It is further possible that a critical mass of belief allows god to be treated like an egregore. Not actually an existant being, but something that behaves just like one.
 

queenofswords

Visitor
Joined
Jun 20, 2025
Messages
1
Reaction score
6
My personal understanding is very close to the Neoplatonic idea of "The One" which is beyond all. It's not a being - it's the source that being pours out of. I like to think of it like the sun: light and heat radiate from it constantly, the sun doesn't try, it just is. That's emanation. We're downstream, but we're still made of that original signal. So when people argue whether god is a person or an energy or an archetype, from a Neoplatonic view, what they're describing are the downstream reflections. The headwaters are beyond the map entirely.
 

Ohana

Acolyte
Joined
Jan 2, 2026
Messages
321
Reaction score
289
Awards
4
A source from which most of existence or life hails from. There might be multiple of them or a bunch of smaller sources all stemming from a big source. Or multiple big sources.

I think of it like that concept like a cacoon. It's just a source to me. I don't think of a that source having personality nor personal characteristics. It just. And you have to crawl to get somewhere else. Where? What come of it? Who knows.

It's just a starting point for which you must crawl forwards. Crawl and crawl and crawl and maybe one day you reach somewhere you like or become the person you want to be. But its active and it take effort to crawl. Like a sea turtle getting born then making a mad dash to the ocean of existence.

Maybe some will reach the ocean maybe some will not. Thats really it.
Even though I don't think the concept of g-d has a personality since I'm a person I think a lot of it comes down is people giving human qualities to non-human things. Maybe?

But the personality I attribute to this maybe or maybe not existing source/entity/whatever it is is kind of like the wizard from The Wizard of Oz. A figure built up even from the title but turns out to be just someone literally projecting themselves everywhere. Yet the wizard isn't in the movie long. The movie is called The Wizard of Oz yet not much is shown of what is supposed to be a title characters. The wizard is kind of just implied to exist more of role than a person. Their has to be a wizard of Oz because Oz and wizards go together I suppose. So much is built up about the wizard but in the end its just someone behind a curtain doing something in Oz.

Most belief systems I think are expecting this grand reveal some great universal truth but what if all thats really there is something some source behind a curtain projecting grandiosity when really its just another thing. Just another role just another cog in the machine of reality. Maybe its an important cog but still just another facet of the machine. The machine of reality itself just being there and thats it.

Thars how I view that concept. If it exists it just is and its just reality going through the motions. Maybe people want it to be big or something amazing but its like the The Wizard in Oz. The movie named itself that. The movie knows the wizard will never live up to that image. Thats the point. I don't think if this concept does exist that it can ever live up to the image its built over time. It just kind of is if it exists I think. I don't know how to feel about my thoughts on this. It grounding but makes me a little melancholic.
 
Joined
Sep 22, 2025
Messages
361
Reaction score
295
Awards
3
There is no supreme god. One can actually go out of body to the source of the universe and perceive it to be no conscious being.

As I've previously explained, humans are subject to the faculty known as Hyperactive Agent Detection, so there is an evolutionary bias to believing any action must have an actor. As well, there are long-standing religious egregores people are tapping into when they pray/submit themselves to gods. And finally, religion is a tool of malevolent (or at least, predatory) beings. Religion is one of the most harmful barriers if one is interested in attaining immortality, yet most occultists see no problem soaking in it.
 

hollowglasd

Apprentice
Joined
Jan 14, 2026
Messages
57
Reaction score
268
Awards
2
God for me is the creator of the universe and of me and all within it to me Jesus is his son and god a person of the trinity
Three in one, one in three
 
Joined
May 20, 2026
Messages
2
Reaction score
4
God and Self are inseparable, God is a field, god is all dimensions of existence, God is pure consciousness and so are we
 

MorganBlack

Disciple
Warned
Joined
Nov 18, 2024
Messages
835
Reaction score
2,128
Awards
8
Damn. Well, this is a depth-charge in-waiting to blow up your magical practice. You can spend decades lost in the weeds here.

Religion is such a fraught area overall, and such a blind spot. Either people take it way too seriously, or not enough. You can spend your entire life worrying about this. Just go into ritual and take it literally, then come out and take it as a metaphor and live your life. See what real world effects you working had. If none, course correct, as better information comes in. This is a practice.

If you want to dive deep into a spiritual tradition, then do that later. We are magicians, and we all sit a bit to the side of formal religion, no matter how much we might like them on a vibe level.

OK, to get more into the weeds here.

I approach this question through a Neoplatonic lens: 'God' is that which we hold ultimately sacred. You can call that 'the gods' if you prefer, or Satan. I really don't care. If you force me to be more specific, I will align with the Neoplatonic and classical Catholic view that God is the Ground of Being - the primordial source from which all existence , and (some) thought arises.

Core to the Neoplatonic (and the Thomistic Catholic, I will add) idea is that all things participate in Being. We are participants in Being, and we can experience the Divine, even if we cannot intellectually define Being, just as a fish in water cannot even see the water to begin to define it.

I also deeply value the Catholic Apophatic tradition, the 'Negative Way.' (and Buddhist and Hindu traditions , if I am reading their texts correctly). By asserting that God is 'neti, neti' - or ‘not this, not that,’ or even Nothing at all - we avoid the trap of anthropomorphism and mythic literalism, and help make sure we don’t commit the error of turning a lesser being or a finite concept into an idol to rule over our lives.

While in this framework the something-something we call 'God' is the 'Ground of Being' , immanent/present in all things , the Catholic aophatic theology approach reminds us that 'God' is also 'wholly other,' meaning transcendent and beyond reach. This can be taken way too far into atheism, but it was originally meant to prevent your view from collapsing into simple polytheism and vitalism, and from having them dictate your life (not that bureaucratic factions in the Church don't also try to do this.).

You have to have a 'thing' that is the connective tissue from Infinite Consciousness ('God' or 'the gods') to us and the 3D world of hard matter. Moden magic ideas often does this by postualing even MORE matter - in the form of magical electricity or other fine woo-woo particulates that are somehow causative, which I think is a bit silly.

What the head of the Temple of Set, Michael Aquino, calls 'neteru' and 'Set,' and I call the 'Logos' (with much of the Stoic and Catholic aspects in place), the 'HGA', and 'Christ.'

The names are cultural expressions of similar, or even the same, core concept. I am sure Dr. Aquinio just as I do, thinks this " Human Faculty-X" is quite real at its own level (there are simlar myths in indengenous stories about human being somehow special in reality / Creation) - but I;m just piting out Dr. Aquino and I are simply t using different cultural and artistic ideas to express the same idea to our respective audince.

His audience : The Temple of Set membership and readers. Me: nobody in paticular.
 
Joined
Nov 14, 2025
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
I've been trying to follow the examples of the Protestant Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ, but I find it hard to follow and pray when His words have been used to inspire hate and fear rather than love and strength.

I also find it hard to understand why most people think belief in the occult is wasted when the Bible clearly says that hidden powers exist.
 

AbammonTheGreat

Acolyte
Joined
Mar 7, 2025
Messages
268
Reaction score
863
Awards
6
I've been trying to follow the examples of the Protestant Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ, but I find it hard to follow and pray when His words have been used to inspire hate and fear rather than love and strength.

I also find it hard to understand why most people think belief in the occult is wasted when the Bible clearly says that hidden powers exist.
I have a lot of respect and reverence for the Christian religion but the Protestants have really nailed themselves to a cross with Sola Scriptura. The entire basis of biblical literalism and the inerrant nature of a book that's origins are murky and has been translated and retranslated amongst hundreds of factions is unconsciously forcing a commitment to intellectual dishonesty that most well-adjusted modern people can not commit themselves to. Christianity's biggest problem at the moment is the mass hemorrhaging of Christians coming from the Protestants and Evangelicals as we progress in understanding of history, science, and the origins of Christianity. This creates massive problems for the faction that is worshiping a book over God and Christ. Most people who are on-fire for the faith in the protestant camp reach a certain point where they have to make a choice to willingly engage in intellectual dishonesty to protect their belief in an inerrant book as the core of their theology and this decision most people can not commit to, and the ones who are willing to do this are who end up in Protestant leadership - which is a massive issue as a person who is willing to commit intellectual dishonesty has moral and psychological issues, they are a person who is dishonest with themselves.

The Catholic and Orthodox perspectives on the Bible as divinely inspired but written by men who are flawed is really the only way you can interpret that book, and you also have to be trained in Philosophy, Biblical History/Archealogy (It's okay that the Gospel of Matthew wasn't written by Matthew himself, and the Five Books of Moses are Bronze Age rules for a Bronze Age society), Theology proper (not Protestant/Evangelical Theology which is just circular reasoning using bible quotes) and how to interpret mystical literature (it is speaking on a symbolic level). All these things need to be taken into account in order to understand that book and accept it as from God. So when the protestant/evangelical is faced with some of the atrocities in the Old Testament, or the historical facts about the New Testament's actual development, they are thrown into crises about the legitimacy of their Faith. If the Bible isn't literal, if there are ugly Bronze Age stories, then how am I to trust the validity of my Faith?

This creates a spiritual dissonance and destroys the persons relationship to God and Christ. And it is an absolute tragedy. The Protestants made a fatal mistake by taking on the doctrine of biblical literalism and Sola Scriptura and it has damaged their congregations irreparably. The manipulation of the Bible for control, fear, and hate is the only tool the dishonest leadership has to maintain their power and control over a group of people gifted with the faculty of reason. That is not to say the Catholics don't also have a history doing this, but this was during a time when they had political power, and political power uses these tactics as propaganda - they haven't had this type of control on an institutional level for centuries.

I say hold onto your faith and understanding of God through the framework gifted to you by circumstance, but do not let the words of men divorce you from the personal experience. God and Christ have nothing to do with the sick people manipulating that book.
 

querent k

Apprentice
Joined
Jan 4, 2025
Messages
53
Reaction score
48
Simply a symbol of the totality of the psyche, that is the God we experience (however (a)theist we are).
If there is a divinity out there somewhere...how can we know?
 

Rynnshng

Neophyte
Benefactor
Joined
Jun 9, 2026
Messages
29
Reaction score
30
I'd thought 'god' is something who let people believe,pray and give oblation,every thing can be god.

But my dad was dead in 2025,a weird dream told my mom will close eyes in 2,16,2037 by natural end.
maybe this just a dream, a sorrow can't be say is more sorrow.

now i think human have soul and semsena,magic and angel is real.the only god is world's willing.no one leave to death
, complex society create the fate,everything have own "Tao". I think god is that truth we can be escape.

things can't be nice release always。
I met God. I think about him every day. My life and my actions reflect my love for his Love for us all. It is difficult to live in the world when you know God - but necessary.
 

Hakon

Neophyte
Joined
May 10, 2025
Messages
32
Reaction score
40
I'd thought 'god' is something who let people believe,pray and give oblation,every thing can be god.

But my dad was dead in 2025,a weird dream told my mom will close eyes in 2,16,2037 by natural end.
maybe this just a dream, a sorrow can't be say is more sorrow.

now i think human have soul and semsena,magic and angel is real.the only god is world's willing.no one leave to death
, complex society create the fate,everything have own "Tao". I think god is that truth we can be escape.

things can't be nice release always。
I am very sorry for your loss. When someone close to us dies, dreams can become extremely intense, and sometimes they feel more real than ordinary thoughts. I would be careful, though, about treating a dream as a fixed prophecy. It may be a message, but it may also be grief speaking through symbols.

I understand what you mean about the soul, magic, angels, Tao, fate, and the will of the world. To me, all these ideas point to the same mystery: reality is not only material. There is an invisible order behind things, even when life feels painful or unfair.

But I do not think death means absolute separation. Maybe bodies end, but the soul belongs to a deeper current. In many traditions, nothing truly disappears; it changes form, returns to its source, or continues in a way we cannot fully understand while we are alive.

I also think we should not surrender completely to fear or fatalism. A dream about death should not make us stop living or loving. Maybe it is an invitation to love your mother more consciously, speak with her, honor your father, and live with more presence.

For me, “God” is not just a being that demands belief, prayer, or offerings. God is the deepest truth behind existence, the source that holds all things together. Different beings, spirits, angels, and forces may exist, but the highest divine reality is beyond them all.

Pain does not always release easily. Some sorrow stays with us. But even sorrow can become wisdom when we carry it with love instead of only fear.
 

shelteringskye

Visitor
Joined
Oct 14, 2025
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
I think of God as that which serves as the ultimate explanation, as the ground of all being. This is, on its own, a philosophical conclusion and not necessarily a theological one.

There are multiple routes to get here, all of which identify and then answer real metaphysical questions that those with a strong materialist and empiricist bent tend to ignore. One such route might be the classical arguments that lead to a Necessary Existence - the things around us exist, but not in a necessary, complete or even self-sufficient sense. For everything to exist (when nothing needed to), something which exists necessarily is the conclusion, a thing which explains or grounds the existence of all other things. Another similar example might be the First Mover, from which everything else derives motion.
One can also get there in a Platonic sense: we encounter a plurality of different things that share a common trait (e.g., beautiful things). For us to recognize and label these different things by the same name ("beautiful"), there must exist a single, objective, and unchanging standard that they all share, which is the Form. Each such concept must have a Form. But then the Forms themselves must have a ground, and that is the One. The One is the absolute ground of reality. It is not just another Form, but transcends Being itself, acting as the ultimate source that generates, unifies, and illuminates all the Forms, and makes the universe itself coherent.

Again, this is not "apologetics", or some kind of fictional mythology being spun. These are genuine puzzles about existence that great minds have given significant thought to, and they converge from different angles on some kind of Ultimate Explanation, utterly unique and the source of all being. This is certainly beyond our usual conception of gods as men in the sky, and of course, this is not really connected to any kind of religious tradition.

It's worth noting that certain books, like the Summa Sacrae of Ganelli, actually depict "God" as found in different traditions - El in Hebrew, Al-Lah in Arabic, Deus in Latin and Theos in Greek - as four corners of a square, perhaps implying they are all pointing at something higher and on their own none of these concepts adequately satisfy whatever it is that is at the top of the hierarchy of being, or more accurately, that which is the ground of the hierarchy of being.
 

Robert Ramsay

Apostle
Joined
Oct 1, 2023
Messages
1,430
Reaction score
3,313
Awards
9
I think of God as that which serves as the ultimate explanation, as the ground of all being. This is, on its own, a philosophical conclusion and not necessarily a theological one.
Except that postulating God doesn't actually explain anything. As explanations go, it's the equivalent of "a big boy did it and ran away". Maybe "First Cause" is what you meant.
 

GGold

Neophyte
Joined
Nov 6, 2022
Messages
13
Reaction score
9
For me "God" is the divine all from which everything came. All other gods and goddesses, spirits and the material world, a kind of Kabbalistic view. But I do like the Neoplatonic definition mentioned previously in this thread. As well as "God is an intelligible sphere whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere.
 

MorganBlack

Disciple
Warned
Joined
Nov 18, 2024
Messages
835
Reaction score
2,128
Awards
8
Damn. I am wordy.

Apologies.

I think Robert is reminding us to keep Karl Popper in mind and not make too many unfalsifiable statements. Which I agree with. Everything we use are all useful 'Just So' stories, shorthand.

Anyone who needs a refresher on 20th-century philosophy of science: when Popper talked about falsifiability, he meant that for a theory to be scientifically useful, there has to be some imaginable test that could prove it wrong. If a theory explains everything, it actually explains nothing. Just saying "God," or "gods," or "daimons" - or, let be honest for a sec - any of the explanatory jargon of occultism: thought-forms, egregores, currents, initiation, or even the ubiquitous woo-woo" energy" - are like most of the frameworks we rely on to navigate daily life. They aren't scientific truths. They're narratives and ideas we spin up after the fact to make a messy, chaotic reality look neat, orderly, and then to pose like we know what's "really" going on.

As magicians I will say acknowledging that our stories are unfalsifiable doesn't mean they are useless. Yes, yes let success be thy proof - but I'm a big advocate of myth as right-hemisphere gateways.

(Sorry for the extra background. I am still finding a balance between being accurate and being pithy!)

Look at how our brains are wired. Our left hemisphere is our internal lawyer and bean-counter. It is hyper-concerned with survival and optimizing opportunism. It grabs and holds onto things to use them. It loves symbolic systems, text, theory, logic, category-splitting, and control. It’s the part of us that demands an unfalsifiable theory be "proven."

The right hemisphere, however, deals in context, whole pictures, somatic presence, vibe, stories, and relationship. It is immersive. It's the part that gets the joke without having to have it explained, and it lets us read the room. This part of the brain is also the gateway to teh Totality, the All. See Goethe and McGhilcrist here.

Think of myths as left-right hemisphere bridges. In some indigenous worldviews, the spirits cannot even see us until we enter the story and our offerings are mythologized. Myths are not meant to be explanatory in a purely left-brain, scientific sense. They are human-orienting, and they tell us where we stand in relation to the Whole, the Totality. Some call this God, but you can use whatever words you like.

But they are mostly for us humans to orient ourselves. So pay close attention to the internal felt-meaning you have applied to the words you use, because it will constrain and color what you experience in magic.

On a purely human, psychological level, myths are right-hemisphere affordances to DO something with. In design, an "affordance" is a physical property that invites action - like a handle that shows you how to pull it. Myth is a narrative handle for the psyche.

I also half-joke that myths are the hardware API and GUI for us to interact with the Noetic operating system. I tend to see the underlying nature of reality as pure, unmediated consciousness or intellect (the Noetic layer). We can't look at it directly without our brains frying. Or feeling like we are cacthing on fire (cough - Headless Rite - cough ).

We need a desktop interface. Myth gives us the icons, the windows, and click events. It lets us click a god-level icon to run a program without needing to manually code in binary. (This is a metaphor... we are not in The Matrix... much).

On an extermnal level (if there is such a thing.), I will add here that myths, stories, and their accompanying vibe create local servers for other minds to jump into. It allows us all meet in a recognized nspace to play the game usng the loccal rules , stories, game design, sight and sounds, and other signals we can all relate to - both human and non-human minds.

So, this is why I never try to erase anyone's stories they use to explain God or the Divine. We live inside a high-fidelity MMORPG, a Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, called Love, Art, and Monsters: Earth, the Multiverse (hehe). It's a game running a simulation on infinite servers all through all time. The simulation is too vast to grasp as raw data. Myth is the player UI that makes the game visible and playable.

Call whatever the hell is going on whatever you want. So if people want to call The Mystery "God," cool! Call it the "gods," fine. I may ask you to explain your mythic worldview and I may quibble some, but that's only because I have my own take.
 
Top