Magick practising Christians?

[slim116]

And then there are many Catholicisms. North Mexican Catholicism is Catholic Lite and is not Southern Mexican Catholicism, and none of them are Irish Catholicism (thank God) nor are they Brazilian Catholicism (which is really too bad).

I'm intrigued about all these different Catholics, and enjoy your descriptions about them. Would you be able to expand a bit more for each?

 

[Konsciencia]

I'm not a Christian but I admire the Jesus arquetype.

 

[MorganBlack]

. Would you be able to expand a bit more for each?

Sure thing. But this a simply gigantic, globe-spanning topic. Just to hit a few highlights.

There's this weird persistent myth among Protestants and "ex" Protestants that because the Catholic Church has a centralized administrative bureaucracy in Rome, all two billion Catholics across the earth are operating in lockstep. Anyone who has actually spent time inside Catholic culture, even down to the town and parish level, knows the reality is completely chaotic and deeply local.

Why there is a blind spot, I am not really sure. I think most occultists think in (bad) Neoplatonic terms and forget they have a body. At the level of the loca, where you have a body , is where you find spirits - of the land, culture, place, and books. And they live through us, and we are not the same cultures, and so we all resonate with different daimons and spirits predicated on our own local culture, history, climate, expectation, and temperament.

Suffice to say, I think the contact between the type of cultures exported from cold Northern countries puts a mark on people they can’t see. So, the chaotic sorcery and mysticism of Latin America Catholicism is almost totally different from the historical "Pay, Pray, and Obey" model of Irish Catholicism, particularly the version exported to the US in the 19th and 20th centuries , which is austere, heavily legalistic, and focused on institutional compliance.

Haitian, Brazilian, and Filipino Folk Catholicism are very similar to Mexican Catholicism. Whereas Bavarian/Austrian Alpine Catholicism is a hyper-traditional, highly entrenched establishment Kultur Catholicism. It’s tied to regional identity, folk festivals, and brass bands, and is similar to other European religious expressions like Irish Catholicism. The Sub-Saharan African, and Asian Catholicisms I've heard of but know little about

And then there is the Catholic Economic Left of Marxist Liberation Theology. Which adds yes another whole other dimension. Hardcore worker rights advocates there, which is why trans-national finance power really hates Catholics, not that they really care about "the gays". That's just PR. . The MIC is not a friend either, with their" gay-friendly" hellfire missiles. Catholics are also mostly anti-war and anti-death penalty. Oh no! But again this is encouraged by culture, not a straitjacket.

Then when you start diving down to the local level into a single parish in a single town . Even in the same pew, Catholics are very different. Sit in the back row of any local church on a Sunday and look at the people sharing the same bench:

One person is an old-school mystic who reads 16th-century Spanish Carmelites and treats the faith as an internal mystical castle. The person next to them is a political activist who views the entire Gospel strictly through the lens of structural liberation theology and class struggle. The person next to them is a hyper-rationalist who treats Thomas Aquinas like a programming language, while their own spouse is there purely for Mass nd maybe, more recently, some are TradCath ex-Protestants looking to turn the Church into a blood-and-soil European expressions. We are not the same.

 

[cormundum]

Traditional Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are very magickal religions. The whole structure of pre-Reformation Christianity is initiatic and it is a direct descendant of the Graeco-Egyptian Mystery Cults. The main difference is that in our Mystery Cult, the Logos put on human flesh and initiated the Apostles who then went on to initiate everybody else.

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The crack like effects, for the maximum you have to be really connected to this system, or have super good overall openness. Then it hits really hard. The first time I thought I was going to collapse. This high lasts for about a week, maybe 2W. Consecutive days increase it. There is a problem, you can overload the whole system.

1) To get really connected to this system you have to work with the JP, gospels and psalms doing the big 1 to 150 method. Then it will connect you in a huge way.

2) Super-mega overall openness, aka the "chaotic exploding state", this can be achieved by working with 2 different systems, so let's say Christianity and islam mixed. This stacks, dissolves, replaces, connects, switches, until everything cracks completely open. You might regret the state because of instability. 50/50 approach and readings without solid structures break the overall connection open. Structured readings are like 1 to 150 psalms or full gospels, Quran cover to cover. Without structure, let's say reading one psalm 30x, random others, then taking random Quran chapters and spamming them. No system, no order. It will break the psyche as well over time.


The JP, 99 names and dhikr. Yes there is a huge difference. I perceive them as something completely different. When I take the Quran and dhikr and work with them for a while then it somewhat takes over the other connection. There is a lot of heat and some highly specific energy. Together, If I do it right, they complement each other.

Your references to dhikr remind me of praying the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me) over and over. You get to high enough numbers and you start tripping haaard.