Who is Allah?

[MorganBlack]

you are the grandmaster of GV! Probably hits hard

Thank you for that, Amadeus.

I am actually a little scared. I will probably have to try the Quran experiment off to the side of my more integrated practice until mythic inspiration strikes and I get a better sense of it by doing it. The only way in is with both feet, I say.

The Catholic rites with the pretty normieCath Marion focus cools everything down. All my rites and practices were separate for a long time until they all slotted together on their own. I really did not expect to 'be' Catholic, but she appeared one day and I fell in love with her sweetness, beauty and kindness. She cools me off after the G.V, and in other ways dealing the daimons. There are other ways too.

Humeral theory is a pretty useful way to deal with unbalance from these kinds of practices. With the Quran experiment I do fear I may be too hot again. I am naturally a very artistic, cool-headed and watery - Neptune personality type. I probably would have spent my life in quietly working in health food store like Whole Foods if it was not for the fiery daimonic GV module I've grafted onto my soul, along with a couple of aggressive Lwa. Warm but not boiling is ideal.

 

[KjEno186]

I just skimmed the first hundred or so pages of the Quran. I am not impressed.

 

[MorganBlack]

Not even as a mystical text, KjEno186? There are 'harsh' sounding psalms, and the entire third chapter of the Book of the Law, but they can all be read as mystical passages, or magical invocations, rather than politics, or advice for interpersonal relationships. Thoughts?

 

[Amadeus]

With the Quran experiment I do fear I may be too hot again

This will definitely become very hot. With the cover to cover it is better, balanced, it will not stack the same thing.
The most extreme effects come from the special duas, they work better when you first blast through with the Quran. Connection and openness are needed.
Those duas are so intense and blazing that I could not believe what was happening. I have some experiences where it did not even make sense, some of them hit so hard just from listening to the audio.
It first fries the top chakras, then something cracks open, after that the energy floods in, some time later the burning will reach new heights. It all comes through unfiltered. Nothing stands in the way and it bakes the mind.

mystical passages, or magical invocations,

I think about them like that too, mystical magical invocations. The Quran can become very boring because it keeps repeating itself over and over again. The same stories. I'm not surprised people go mad from it.

 

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i wouldnt recommend it, hes not a benign deity and very emotional and clingy, absolutely hates apostates who have potential or power. He also recruits through the threat of hell, so if you read the experiences people have or the gnosis, all of them have the similar hell experience.

I have experience with allah attacking me everyday for years for apostasy till i finally awakened and defeated him permanently. All thats left is residual energy, but prayers barely ever get heard or granted.

 

[KjEno186]

Not even as a mystical text, KjEno186? There are 'harsh' sounding psalms, and the entire third chapter of the Book of the Law, but they can all be read as mystical passages, or magical invocations, rather than politics, or advice for interpersonal relationships. Thoughts?

I think about them like that too, mystical magical invocations. The Quran can become very boring because it keeps repeating itself over and over again. The same stories. I'm not surprised people go mad from it.

I won't deny the mystical, magical aspect. If one can make use of that, naturally it is their choice to do so. My first impression presented a broad cultural divide which I am not willing to cross for philosophical and ethical reasons. I believe the Hebrew Psalms, the Christian Gospels, or even the I Ching would be better suited to me should I choose to undertake such an intense meditation period.

My impression of "Allah" is that it is not what it claims to be. I know religious enmities have caused many wars, so I'll refrain from making further comments on the matter.

 

[MorganBlack]

He also recruits through the threat of hell,

Hmmmm. Taking it under advisement. Self-coherence is job one, imho.

In my view there seeming opposites are never permanently locked in an eternal battle. Astro-theology is a good way to look at much of it. As the forces / intelligences of the stars and planets as they move through the universe align is different configurations, sometimes working harmoniously , sometimes in opposition to each other, taking different roles. Nothing is static. Sometime they 'fight' to have their pattern become dominanat, sometimes they cooperate and form alliances. .

In Catholicism The Virgin who birthed Christ in our hearts both defeats the Dragon / Satan AND becomes the Empress of Hell. But I get what you're saying. Some things may be more testy, super insistent, and not get along with each other. In my weird mystical, underworld Catholic-encoded personal mythic journey I died, was reborn, and became the (a) demiurgic Lord of Hell. Where he fits in my very specifically mthically-patterned universe is to be determined.

And Catholicism and Islam do not have a peaceful history together. I wonder if the dead on both sides may be super aggro if when brought in each other's vicinity. I have no idea. Anybody working with both mythic streams?

 

[Amadeus]

but prayers barely ever get heard or granted.

This system does grant requests but if you want very special goals to be fulfilled it is very demanding. Energy pays for the outcomes, to receive some special benefits a lot must be given.

I spoke to some sufis in the past who were very sure that the Allah is nothing more than a group of spirits. A system that wants energy but when approached the right way, will give what you want. Of course this part is easier said than done, way too many factors.

What the system is really good for is opening you spiritually. Because it is so fierce, burning and hot, it opens the passages very fast.

I believe the Hebrew Psalms, the Christian Gospels, or even the I Ching would be better suited to me should I choose to undertake such an intense meditation period.

Yes the psalms and gospels are excellent for meditating. It's interesting that the Muslims think it is the same force behind them yet when you work with all these texts something completely different comes out.

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And Catholicism and Islam do not have a peaceful history

It's really sad how people are fighting over this stuff, not respecting each other...horribly violent history.

 

[MorganBlack]

It's really sad how people are fighting over this stuff

Totally agreed. Not to go off topic, so don't even get me started on aggro right-wing Catholics. Or the political assholes jumping into Catholicism to "defend the West." It just makes me sad.

 

[Amadeus]

Anybody working with both mythic streams?

I work with Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Islamic practices, mixing, combining together. It does work out when it's done carefully but it can bring a horrific spiritual chaos to your mind. It caused serious "error mind not found 404" errors in the past. There were times I thought I was going mad. Especially when stuff like the Goetia and GV are added to the cocktail, it might blend for a while but then something gets tilted.

 

[MorganBlack]

Bwhahaa!! Yeah, been there! Yeah, going a little insane for a bit. For me Catholic, PGM-Thelemic, Jewish. and GV. I was raised mostly Unitarian Universalist (with a Catholic maternal line) so I default to a sort of gentle pantheism, but I've found Neoplatonism helps here for the big picture and to integrate everything on a felt level. Oh, and a very agnostic Zen Bhuddist zazen just to reset it all, clear the ram, and tell everyone to fuck off.

Hmmm. I might have keep them separate from the rest of my practice. My main tutelary spirit is a Catholic saint... well to modify that a bit, who is probably a whole bunch of spirits who use him as a mask, but he is very Catholic-encoded. I am much more Catholic becasue of his guidance and spirit influence on me.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

It's interesting to me as to whether Allah & God are two different egregores or the same egregore

Bear in mind that saying 'it's just an egregore' is a bit like saying 'it's just an atomic bomb'

 

[MorganBlack]

Heh. I don't use the word "egregore" but I agree with Fr. Acher the "gods" rather work like valves on this very primordial, nuclear reality, one that can turn us into a pillar of salt if we see it face to face or get too close.

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Call it Gaia; call it God the Father; call it Ain Soph. Call it Azathoth, or the Primordial Operating Sytem. I call it The Mystery, I very much agree we humans make these mythic insulation and UI/UX for our use and to apply as sun-screen to not get too badly burned. But some of these valves fly very close to the sun, or the "nuclear furnace at the center of Creation." In my personal gnosis "The Trinity" is a very nice modulating valve, the Headless One, less so, and to be used more sparingly. But I also think some of the effects is shaped by my personal framework (inner synthesis) to some degree.

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You know, remembering my own history, to speak more accurately after some reflection.

The effects came first - and only them came my slotting of the experience into a mythic framework. The Headless Rite in particular, i had no concept of what it would do ahead of time. My mythic slotting came after the experience based on how it felt and what it did. There was no internet for everyone to tell me EXACTLY what I was superposed to experience or EXACTLY what it literally is. My experienece is the opposite of what people in these formalized and hyper-connected times have to work through .. I think all us Gen-X cam from a DIY, try-it-and-see empirical approach that was the better part of Crowley's legacy.

I still agree with the collective mindi s gong to shape the valves we are using, coloring or overridfing to some degree our own understanding and shapng the experiece. No need to reinvent the wheel here, but pick one that rolls.

 

[Morell]

It's interesting to me as to whether Allah & God are two different egregores or the same egregore

Bear in mind that saying 'it's just an egregore' is a bit like saying 'it's just an atomic bomb'

That is a good thought. Makes me thinking about Christian branches. Islam has many branches too and if I'm not wrong Sikhi also call god Allah. I think there are even more religions today calling God Allah. Middle east is hiding more religions than the one usually connected with it.

Each religious group has their own egregore they work with as each has unique understanding of the god and his qualities. So even branches within Islam differ and so their god differs... Also outsiders definitely see egregores of Allah different than Muslims themselves.

Not sure about atomic bombs, though. You might be making that Allah egregeore way bigger than it might actually be.

 

[Dona]

Allah is divinity not a deity . Allah = God in arabic.

 

[MorganBlack]

Allah is divinity not a deity

No argument from me. The very Ground of Being itself is NOT another object.

See Bishop Robert Barron here for more on the very normie Catholic but still very Neoplatonic conception of God. "The Father" is probably what you mean by the name "Allah?" ... and agreed - "He" is of a very different order than another localized pagan "god" or even a high planetary "god" like Venus, or the star Aldebaran. See first video here.

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Anyway, these ideas come to us all through Plato (from even earlier monotheistic cosmological conception) where later Neoplatonists gave us "the One" as the "Ground of Being ." Plato also gave us a more localized cosmic architect , and a still very universal "valve" (in my view per above) called the "Demiurge. " From my magical perceptive, normie Catholicism conflates "The One" with the Demiurge a bit too much. Specific names only exist in space-time. But whatever. Nobody's perfect.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Not sure about atomic bombs, though. You might be making that Allah egregeore way bigger than it might actually be.

Getting involved with an egregore can still fuck you up, even if it doesn't instantly vapourise you

 

[Angelkesfarl]

"If you seek to understand the True Essence of the Divine beyond the veils of tradition, I invite you to contemplate this synthesis. Within this link, you will find the profound esoteric definition of the Name 'Allah' and a confrontation with the philosophical questions that the modern seeker often fears to ask. Discover the Sovereign of the Unseen."

[Read the Full Revelation Here] https://wizardforums.com/threads/who-is-allah-the-sovereign-of-the-unseen-and-the-manifest.15399/

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

Depending on what you believe, he represents the TRUE INEFFABLE ARCHITECT, or he is the God of our Universe - the demiurge God Yaldabaoth

 

[Ananda]

The supreme aim is to put an end to repeated experience in body after body by putting an end to desires, observing the mind and body and inquiring ‘who am I?’

Any religions which teach otherwise are inspired by demons to lead you astray. What religions teach the above? The Vedic religion and Buddhism are the only two.